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Subscription CAC from surviving cycles

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The first-order max CAC tool answers “what can I bid on the click if the customer never rebills?” This one answers the other question: what is the cohort worth if some of them stay. It is not billed LTV. It is contribution from a first order plus the surviving subscription cycles, divided by starters.

Pair: Subscription CAC from surviving cycles.

Clock

Cycle k bills on day k × days-per-cycle. A 30-day cycle means day 30 is cycle 1 and day 60 is cycle 2. Day 0 is the product purchase (AOV × product gross margin). It is not a subscription cycle.

If your CRM bills every 14 days, set days-per-cycle to 14 or the clock is a lie.

Drop-off is a count

Subscriptions started is the cohort. Drop-off per cycle is how many leave after each bill. 100 starters and 25 drop-off bills 100, then 75, then 50, then 25, then none. It is not a 25% churn field. If you have a percent, convert it to a count on this cohort first.

Gross margin here is (price − landed COGS) / price. Type 65, not 0.65. This calculator does not subtract refunds, processor fees, RDR, or reserve drag. Those stay on the first-order tool. Do not blend the two numbers in one cell.

What the big number is

Allowable CAC per starter = (product contribution + all surviving rebill contribution) / starters. That is LTV-ish if you can actually collect those later cycles: MIT approval, a MID that is not at threshold, stock to ship. If you cannot float to cycle 2, cap the bid with first-order CAC, not this.

Related: traffic (the bid), payments (settled, not billed), MIDs (rebill MIT), stock (landed COGS).

Procedure

  1. Take first-order AOV that settled, not CRM “paid.”
  2. Put product gross margin from landed COGS (stock), as a percent.
  3. Name the cohort: how many subscriptions actually started, not how many landing-page clicks.
  4. Put subscription gross margin on the rebill amount (override rebill $ if the continuity price is not AOV).
  5. Put drop-off as a count per cycle from your last 90 days of rebills, not a hope.
  6. Set days per cycle to the bill period in the CRM (30, 14, 60). Confirm that day 60 is the cycle you think it is.
  7. Allowable CAC per starter is the bid cap only if you can float to those later cycles. Otherwise cap with the first-order CAC tool.

Failure modes

  • Treating billed LTV as cash in week one and bidding it on day 0.
  • Entering 0.65 when the field is a percent (65).
  • Using a drop-off percent in a count field.
  • Ignoring that rebills still need a MID that can take MIT / recurring volume.
  • Skipping refunds and chargebacks — this calculator does not subtract them.

Worked example

None on this page yet. When one lands it will be a real case: what broke, the number, and what changed. Not a composite.

Glossary

Starter
One customer who paid the first-order AOV and entered the subscription cohort. Allowable CAC is per starter, not per remaining rebill.
Cycle clock
Cycle k bills on day k × days-per-cycle. With a 30-day cycle, day 60 is cycle 2. Day 0 is the first-order product, not a subscription cycle.
Drop-off per cycle
A count that leaves after each billed cycle. 100 starters and 25 drop-off → 100, 75, 50, 25, then 0. Not a percent.
Gross margin here
(Price − landed COGS) / price. It is not contribution after refunds, fees, RDR, or reserve drag. Those belong on the first-order CAC tool.

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FAQ

Is day 60 cycle 2?
Yes when days per cycle is 30. Cycle k bills on day k times days-per-cycle. Day 0 is the first-order product, not a subscription cycle.
Is allowable CAC cash in week one?
Only if you can float to later cycles. Otherwise cap bids with the first-order CAC tool.